In their case they were trying to unload or clear a jam while in a moving vehicle, with the muzzle pointed at their leg. If I carry a striker I would prefer a safety but I have the habit of pulling out my holster before I holster and put it into my pants. In either case, the muzzle is pointed at the ground, not at any of my favorite organs. Dry firing violates rule #1, as I would never point my gun at light switch and pull the trigger if thought it was loaded. Opportunity. Those two reasons are enough for me. After reading most of the comments on this thread, what I’ve learned the most is that, whichever way you carry a gun, it will be pointing at your body some way or another. Mainly having a barrel pointed at your body. I agree, as long as you are a responsible gun owner you shouldn’t have to worry about it going bang without you wanting it to. The muzzle might be located directly over the femoral artery. I don't reholster with my finger on the trigger. Rather then carrying a gun on the side or in the back. Unless you have a crotch goblin or something in your pants. I just applied for a CPL and have been thinking about how to carry (that is, if I decide to carry at all, but doesn't hurt to learn more and be educated I suppose.). Unlike the old western movie style where the gun stays in the side hip, the appendix carry gives more advantages. According to FOX6, Timothy Phonisay was posing for pictures with his pistol when he reholstered his pistol and it discharged into his thigh. Long time carrier here. ankle carry is is usually pretty good about not flagging yourself . Dxt2590. Does appendix carry allow one to draw while seated? It's also the easiest for gun retention, you get better leverage pushing down on your belt carrying appendix than with other positions. And lastly, unless it's a sig p320, my gun is not going to go off when properly seated and locked into the holster. I've used bellybands and holsters I've fashioned from Velcro strips. Holsterless carry is dangerous, and should not be done unless it's due to a temporary emergency. Due to my physical issues and limitations, it just works best for me. Al-jim19, shoobe01, Walkalong and 2 others like this. Appendix carry, in and of itself, is no more dangerous than any other carry technique when one is properly trained and armed with a handgun that lends itself to this method. What An Appendix Holster Must Have: Covers the trigger guard and slide; Has a built-in wedge or the ability to add one; Offers a belt attachment option in the “better” or “best” category; Provides adjustable ride height I personally carry with safety on. Even off-set duty rigs flag you all the time. I defiantly understand that at some point someone is getting flagged when you are carrying a firearm and there is always some risk in that. . I don't, but I would probably get a striker control device if I did. The most common position is half way between the distance from the hip bone and waistband button. Yes technically you are pointing the muzzle at some pretty vital body parts. I carry an HK P30S .40 with one in the pipe appendix but it is a hammer fired pistol with a manual safety. This will illicit some flames but I will not carry a Glock with one in the chamber at the appendix position. People who enjoy appendix carrying say it’s easy to conceal and doesn’t usually print as much as strong side carrying. Based upon the medical reports, the holster was placed into the appendix carry postion (2 o’clock) – a popular position for a concealed carry holster. I will say the fact that the back plate on my Glock now appears to flop around is a little bizarre to me. That being said, yes you’re either constantly flagging yourself or at least have parts of your body danger-close to the potential muzzle blast / gasses. 2. Many very talented shooters end up doing it, often without realizing it. I cannot say that about others in the vicinity. One question I get a lot about appendix carry is “how can you sit down or ride in a car with it.” I’ve seen some people say it’s impossible because it is so uncomfortable. I bought an appendix holster on a whim and haven’t looked back. However, nobody should be looking at your crotch area. “Man shoots himself appendix carry” The typical person appendix carrying is also a law-abiding and licensed concealed carrier, rather than someone looking to skirt the law of the land. He proceeds to lecture/preach for 20 minutes about how appendix carry is a stupid way to carry since it 1) violates rule #2 of firearm safety which is "Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy" 2) could cause most damage from a negligent discharge and 3) is the "tacticool" way of carrying, and anyone not a professional with firearms is (he implied) going to shoot their femoral artery or privates. Mainly being its it far more conceilable and typically a faster draw time since your arms and elbows are closer and naturally bend that way. BTW I carry a P320 C in either a Crossbreed holster at the 4 O'clock position or a remora in the middle of my back and have for about 5 years now. What is Appendix Carry? Otherwise no one would be able to able to carry a gun. Some people the gun in the front as their back and sides are free to lean against back rest, arm rest, walls, etc. The PFG shirt, cargo pants, and "Sheepdog" patch on his backpack were a dead giveaway. A large percentage of unintentional self-inflicted gunshot wounds seem to happen when someone is inserting a gun into the holster. The only time your gun can be flagging something is when it's drawn or being drawn. Proper inspection, maintenance and manipulation skills reduce the chance of having an ND though. I appendix carry all the time because it's the most comfortable and secure way for me to carry. The whole “flagging yourself” thing should be moot — keep your booger hook off the bang switch and the gun won’t fire. I occasionally still get it, having transitioned to appendix carry a couple months back. Sheriff Jim considers the issue. And it's not just beginners. Can be drawn in vehicle with seat belt on. If you carry 4 then the gun is bulging off your hip, at 6 or small of the back you really can't draw sitting down (you can with appendix if you carry correctly). I guess it is an added bit of risk I personally am not comfortable with. I just installed one of these on my Glock 48 yesterday. MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN — Last week, a man died trying to reholster his pistol. A subreddit to discuss the concealed carrying of weapons (CCW) and other self-defense topics. Can someone explain to me why appendix carry has become so popular? Theres always a possibility for a ND no matter how you carry if your being reckless or not paying attention. This is the method of carrying the gun in the middle of the side pocket and the centerline of the pant. This means that the pistol is kept in an IWB holster in the front of your waist, or over your appendix (hence the name). I had a friend who died years ago as a result of a ND to their femoral artery. Ease of access, draw speed, conceal ability, self-check for printing, more non-fudd manufacturers and carriers. He carries strong side and said no one will ever "need that extra 1/2 second appendix carry gives you on the draw" and that no one "needs that deep of concealment." Appendix carry is often maligned. And by carrying your gun in same place on your own time, all o… I also draw and present faster from appendix and have my spare mag next to my gun. He proceeds to lecture/preach for 20 minutes about how appendix carry is a stupid way to carry since it 1) violates rule #2 of firearm safety which is "Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy" 2) could cause most damage from a negligent discharge and 3) is the "tacticool" way of carrying, and anyone not a professional with firearms is (he implied) going to shoot their femoral artery or privates. I guess I should try it around the house with an unloaded firearm to see how it really sits with me. This has advantages that go far beyond conventionality. The same is true of some police academies and some shooting schools. You can train around the weaknesses of AIWB. But the first thing to understand is that it is an irrational fear. More people get better training and realize that AIWB pros outweigh the cons and decide to carry this way. And also, be safe… do you carry a glock? https://www.reddit.com/user/Tam212/comments/bwdd3u/concealed_carry_aiwb_carry_pros_and_cons/, I've been experimenting with going back to aiwb. Even if appendix carry is relatively safe, it still gives me the heebie-jeebies. Currently holstered firearms are not subject to the rules of firearm safety. Holsters are specifically designed to keep things out of the trigger guard precisely because pulling the trigger is the only way for the weapon to discharge. Some do it while drawing...look up the video of Tex Grubner shooting himself in the leg. Technically one way or another your going to flag yourself. Appendix carry, like its namesake organ, isn’t useless after all. That's why it's so damned important to keep that finger off the trigger until you are ready to make 'er sing. Critics of appendix carry often talk about how it’s not a safe location. Been done since the days of Blackbeard if not earlier. but you can't draw from an ankle holster fast . Carrying means someone is getting flagged at some point. I talked to someone today about carrying and he asked me how I carry (appendix). I did some homework and got some great tips from friends, acquaintances, and the repository of truth, the internet. Press J to jump to the feed. And SOB, you mean small-of-back? In the chair it's not nearly as visible as it would be if I were standing. While not for everyone, some people prefer appendix carry over any other carry method out there. Appendix carry is popular because it … Appendix carry is considered the position where individuals carry at the 12 o’clock position right up front where their belt buckle would traditionally be. I carry appendix, and sorry im a little dude and im not going to be packing a baby pocket pistol 24/7 because I cant hide my 19x on my strong side hip without layering. It's just part of the deal that you ARE going to sweep that muzzle somewhere you would rather not. Comfort, ease of access, ease of retention, ease of draw in multiple positions, etc. Way more comfortable, I used to carry at 4 o’clock and did for about 5 years. Does he complain about people sitting down with a pocket carried gun and flagging whoever is sitting across from them? A gun in a holster is essentially a cased firearm. . George P Member. I like appendix carry with snubbie revolvers. He also note the many "NDs when drawing from appendix," none of which I am familiar with or have seen. It is as safe as any other gun you might want to carry in that mode. Pinterest. In addition, it's easy to move your strong side leg back, lean back, and basically "do it right" to give clearance...as long as you dress your junk to the other side, you actually don't flag anything except part of the holster, belt, and pants when reholstering into AIWB. Deep concealment means different things to different people to me it means wearing dress clothes/ tucked in shirt which warrants the use of a very small gun. Appendix isn't going to paralyze you if you fall. bannockburn Member. Whether sitting down or while drawing. I think he was talking about while drawing or holstering. If you actually watch closely, a LOT of people will end up flagging their legs, femoral arteries, and in some cases spine or intestines while reholstering a strong-side IWB. tarosean, Jan 23, 2019 #6. czhen, Robbins290, ATLDave and 12 others like this. I carry OWB at 3 o’clock or IWB at 4 o’clock. I am confident and feel safe carrying appendix (I will continue to do so), but would like to hear opinions on this. In terms of having a barrel pointed at your junk, I prefer hammer over striker, no safety, only DA/SA. As for the safety mechanisms in the weapon - the very last thing I would ever expect to fail or worry about from a quality manufacturer. Today, appendix carry is done with a holster instead of merely inserting a pistol into the waistband. Right now, my favorite holster for appendix carry is a Wild Bill's made for my SP-101 .357 Magnum snub, which I sometimes carry as a primary. I don’t appendix carry because I’m very attached to my nads, literally and figuratively, and do not wish to be detached. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Additionally if I do holster awib, my thumb is on the hammer therefore I know if the hammer moves. As far as having a gun pointed at me I used to run around with bricks of C4, frags and other explosives while trying to dodge IEDs, that made me not really worry about my own gun being pointed at me. A good holster + reliable gun means it’s not going to shoot itself. Ever. Plus, if an attacker is close, it's not too hard for them to keep you from getting your gun out at all. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I personally like a crossdraw. Appendix is one of the most difficult for me due to not being able to move as well while sitting. I started carrying appendix carry, or AIWB (Appendix In-The-Waistband) about a year ago. I prefer my CZ p01. Comfortability. Just many of the comments in here and that I regularly see. Every position flags one way or another only difference is with aiwb you can see directly into the holster for obstructions. Hidden Hybrid Double clip IWB Sig P220- is not an appendix holster but put it up front outta curiosity and surprisingly is the most comfortable carry system, not ideal but absolutely works fine for motorcycle riding when i don't want a striker fired gun sliding across the pavement if i ever go down DA/SA is extra security. I do have a g43, but it's more for shits and giggles. Defending and preventing individuals from taking your guns is easier in the front. A.R.C. It is up to each of us to be properly informed and educated. We need more people to carry. I can't pickup a bottle of Windex without my finger running down the nozzle. There are individuals who have fallen on a gun and they have back pain now. Whether or not to carry with the safety on, or even have a safety, is debated on here. First shot will always be extremely heavy so I will no if my hammer is being moved. In my opinion, it is the best way to carry: best weapon retention, most concealable, quickest/most natural to … Appendix carry, like its namesake organ, isn’t useless after all. Is it a safe way to carry? “Safe Appendix Carry” is clearly an option.Only you can decide if this method is a good choice for you, but you should be sure to approach the question with logic and rational thinking, with a clear understanding of the concepts and techniques involved. I sit in a wheelchair almost all of my waking hours. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. nor do i see why it is so popular. I don't know for sure but I would imagine a certain degree of flagging is unavoidable in combat. Like I sad, I'm not against others carrying in that way if they choose, I just don't personally see why given everything else that is available. No matter how you carry you should be practicing safe efficient draws and reholsters during dry fire practice untill its muscle memory. Now don't get me wrong if it gets you to carry, go for it. I've carried AIWB for the past couple of years, in everything from causal/untucked shirt to a tucked in dress shirt/suit pants. Less printing and not having to do the Picard every time is sit or stand is nice. Supposedly it is the most concealable, easiest and fastest to draw from the most positions. Well, that’s only true if you do it wrong. I just don't understand why it is so popular as of late. If you don’t like aiwb carry, then don’t carry appendix. If you carry 4 then the gun is bulging off your hip, at 6 or small of the back you really can't draw sitting down (you can with appendix if you carry correctly) It's also the easiest for gun retention, you get better leverage pushing down on your belt carrying appendix than with other positions. A subreddit to discuss the concealed carrying of weapons (CCW) and other self-defense topics. Just curious, how many documented cases of ND of holstered weapons there Type this in a search and your question will be answered. Practice the tueller drill, it can be difficult.... Also why criticise someone else on their prefered methods that do no harm to you or themselves if they are safe? I appreciate what it is you're saying. EDIT: I should state it hasn't always been a 320 but I've always carried in those positions. . If you're not trained to the point where you're ok with drawing and keeping your finger off the trigger then you shouldn't carry at any position because you're a risk to yourself and everyone around you. For AIWB, I always choose hard shell fully kydex holsters without any leather or soft backing. I can't see any of the advantages outweighing the negatives. He carries a Glock which was surprising, and always carries a backup revolver. Shoulder carry sweeps the brachial artery the way most people draw. I've carried 3-4 o clock for years and have been carrying appendix for the past few years even though it is more uncomfortable and more difficult to dress around for me personally. appendix carry holster. Appendix carry. Strict, non-pliable rules are great for beginners but as you get more experience some exceptions to these rules become acceptable. So...technically, still a violation, but it isn't possible to reholster IWB without flagging the holster, belt, and pants. 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